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nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 1:07 AM

Sorry, this is closed...

syndrome • 24 January 2014 at 1:12 AM

@nenielsen

1 - I was actually hoping they might make some more expensive to retain rarity o.o

2 - That's very, very true.

3 - IKR, I very much want the name @pirate, but it's taken by a long dead account :|

4 - I really do wish at least ONE of my unique suggestions would be noticed like PLEASE?

5 - I do agree that some commons should retire, but le's should still have the same rates IMO.

THEY SHOULD TOTES BRING BACK CC TRADING, THE EGGCONOMY WAS DEFINITELY BOOMING THEN!

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 1:15 AM

@plauge okay, then which one should bringing back CC trading go under? Or should I put in a new section? 😋

despair • 24 January 2014 at 1:17 AM

@nenielsen

The only problem I have is when a user quits, and keeps all of their difficult to obtain creatures. I know and completely understand that they worked hard to obtain the creatures and whatnot, but, for lackof a better term, I feel that its idiotic.


Especially with the older creatures where there are a very limited number of them, people quit and leave them in their cove, which ruins a potential creature trade. That person most likely isnt the only person to like that creature 😋

syndrome • 24 January 2014 at 1:18 AM

@nenielsen

I'm not sure, new section I guess.

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 1:19 AM

@despair You prove a point, but many users (me being one of them) go on an egg-cave hiatus for a while, and then come back. But if they've actually quit, it is pretty annoying... 😋

despair • 24 January 2014 at 1:21 AM

@nenielsen

I get if its going to be a hiatus, a temporary leave, thats understandable. Since I would be returning, I would like to see my creatures again 😋


But quitting, leaving for good, users should put some of their rarer creatures back in circulation :/

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 1:24 AM

@despair totally agree with you. 😉
@plague

okay, I had to overwrite the poll, so you guys need to vote again please! 😋

spiritkoi • 24 January 2014 at 5:33 AM

@nenielsen I don't really like the voting thing cause my suggestions only stay active for a couple days so if we went that way I would never get another suggestion made.

Would making travels LESS help EC value go UP? I don't get it.

For the Asteroid I think maybe extra timed steals like the Cave Beta?

Almost everything else I say okay to or YES GREAT IDEA.

And I saw your blog comments....... The CRW were made by the new artist and from what I know, the artist hasn't taken any creature suggestions Maybe the artist doesnt look at the creature suggestions?

Deleted • 24 January 2014 at 6:11 AM

@nenielsen
I agree with the CC gifting/trading being brought back. I remember trading LE's and EC for small amounts at a time then saving up for retired CC creatures. It's not like that with EC. Saving up for EC is useless. Not many people sell retired CC creatures for EC. All you can do with it is Tim's, Travels, and the auctions. While with CC, you can get CC monthlies and freezes.
Removing the CC gifting feature didn't help the Eggcave Economy at all. All it did was make it near impossible for people who don't buy CC to get freezes or retired creatures they like. Unless you already had nice retired creatures, or if they happen to come out with a good CSP monthly, you're pretty much out of luck. :\ That discourages new users and makes a lot of them quit.

asi • 24 January 2014 at 6:41 AM

@nenielsen

Here are some counter points I thought I'd like to raise, the larger part of which stands regardless of my own opinion ^^"

1. "Creature wealth" and "more LEs to go around after they retire" seems a little contradictory; if the LEs are to be worth anything, they can't be common as dirt X3 And I can hardly believe you want pets to be churned out at an even greater rate!! 0_e
I agree with @Plague ^^"

2. If travels, what you spend your EC on, are less expensive, it might reduce the value of EC. Less people would put pets up for auction if they could more easily earn the EC they need for the travels they want ^^"
@Spiritkoi this was what you were thinking? ^^"

3. Making it easier to immortalize creatures may mean there would be more full, inactive accounts. If their pets are dying, they're already quite inactive- or don't get how to play. Or just forgetful... ^^"
I think most newbies are already utterly swamped with the sheer MASSES of pets to plough through in the achieves 6_6 I know /I/ was, and there were only about twenty at the time PP:
The people who bother you probably wouldn't use that option.

4. If you're not keen on Eggcave's art, what exactly drew you to this adoptable site? X3
There was a long period where practically everything was a user suggestion. Personally, I think it's nice that the artists are given free reign every once in a while ^^"
Also, I kind of don't want to be spammed with, "Fed your feat, vote for me!" posts... ><" Ha... Ha... ^^"

5. Can't see a problem with that, though you know Eggcave is already doing it. Maybe more slowly than you'd like, but hey, don't retire them all at once... ^^"
Then who'd want to trade for your new LEs? 0_0

6. Cave cash, travel and more than five pet trading sure would be more convenient~ But name changes, cave and asteroid tries? 0_0 Uh... Just seems a bit unnecessary to me ^^" You'd seriously use that?? ^^"

spiritkoi • 24 January 2014 at 6:53 AM

@asi Yes, exactly.

mastergemma • 24 January 2014 at 7:26 AM

@nenielsen
1. having more creatures come out at once may be too much, there is enough with the 5 a month

2. The travels are fine how they are and people aren't complaining

3.
I know i struggle to immortalize creatures but i've stuck with this website
more monthlies... there is enough new creatures coming out
maybe if there was a creature that came out and you have to buy it with EC before the month ends may be better

-Having the option of deleting your account and ABANDONING ALL YOUR CREATURES AT THE ADOPTION CENTER FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!
That would be awesome


4.There aren't enough creatures that I like:
-More limited editions each month
There is enough
-More user suggestions taken into account by Egg Cave staff
We cannot be sure how many suggestions are being taken or how long it takes to finalize for EggCave to release it
-Each month, users VOTE for the top user suggestions (yay, democracy!)
Not democracy
Popularity contest
I've seen enough of it at school



5. The cave hates me, I never get any limited editions:
-Having Egg Cave retire some of the older cave creatures
they have been doing this (krah was the most recent i think)


6. Trading for things I want is so hard:

-Trading in cave tries, meteoroid tries, and name changes
that's a little over the edge...
-Trading in more than 5 creatures
This would be nice

plushie • 24 January 2014 at 8:32 AM

@Nenielsen

1.
-The creatures now are good I have to say but it's a good thought!
-It's a smart and dumb move with the CC. More business but there's also rarity. It would mess with the system that people have going. If there's cheaper than rarity drops heaps. But I think freezes etc should be lowered to 100.
-But @Plague @Asi if we increase it than that can make it really hard for those users who can barely get CC. It is only good for rarity because not many people will have it since it is expensive and the fact that it costs more.

2.
-I agree with @Asi and @Spiritkoi the value for EC will go down and people will give less EC for creatures and that leaves sad faces on the people who Auction creatures.

3:
-I do think that could be good but for those people working for EC to immortalize others creatures it would suck.
-I think the monthlies are good how they are. We wouldn't want to be just like Chicken Smoothie. NOT ADVERTISING IT.
-I do have to agree you should be able to do that since not everyone will have enough EC to put them in the AC.

4.
-I still think we could have at least one LE a month. Because it will send trades booming an people will still have something to trade and not wait till new creatures come out!
-I agree on that because there are so many user suggestions that have not been taken into account and it will really inspire the artists.
-If we did that than there wouldn't be any fun on the surprise of new creature of the month or any of that.

5.
-Yes there are lots of creatures that people are getting sick of seeing xD

6.
-Yes than others can resurrect their creatures if they can't get CC themselves!
-That would be nice trading travels! I have SoB I want to see offers xD
-That would be cool but I think it's just a little weird.
-I am for and against that! I think it'd be cool but there would be those people in the TC putting there whole cove in one trade. Unless if there was 5 creatures showed and there was a view all button on it that led you to the whole trade.

Thank-you and byebuy

disneyland • 24 January 2014 at 9:20 AM

The only thing I can say is make old inactive accounts purge like they do with accounts on neopets.

trish • 24 January 2014 at 9:50 AM

@nenielsen Would it be a good idea to have like a monthly creature that you can buy with EC only? I think it'd give more value to EC.

Like its own park or in the science research lab, they'd put up a new creature every month and take it down at the end of the month, but the price for the creatures aren't the same. One month it could be 750k, and another month it could 2mil.

syndrome • 24 January 2014 at 10:34 AM

@jrock

I completely agree with you, if anything, CC trading IMPROVED the Eggconomy. People would buy more CC, thus making the site more money, just to trade it for stuff. Ian actually caused himself to start making LESS money when he took it away. It also made Eggcave less exciting and crushed opportunities when it was taken.

Deleted • 24 January 2014 at 11:19 AM

I agree with these statements. The Eggconomy is going through a Great Eggpression now, it seems like.

karamel • 24 January 2014 at 11:31 AM

@plague Technically it wasn't CC /trading/; the official feature was CC /gifting/.

And not everything is about making money (on this site). 😉

"It is IMPOSSIBLE to get the rare creatures I want": They are called, categorised, and /meant to be/ rare. If it's (near) impossible to get them, that means they are serving their purpose. To me, this just seems like a complaint entirely centered around how you can't get what you want. And that's often the case /everywhere/.
(Plus, in no way is /anyone/ saying that you have to get all the creatures you want, or you have to get so-and-so creatures.)

"EC has very little face-value": Sort of to do with the community and not Egg Cave (and its features) itself. We're partly/mainly the ones that are lowering the value, since we make so much EC /ourselves/ and then increase the prices as a result of that.
Er, pardon my economic 'skills' (or lack thereof), but wouldn't making the travels /cheaper/ make EC /decrease/ in value? *confuzzled face* Or am I thinking about it the wrong way round? e_e;;

"There are so many empty, inactive accounts": It's other users' accounts; they get to choose whether they want to leave them inactive or delete them. I do like the idea of purging accounts that have been inactive (for a year, maybe?)--but with the option to OPT OUT.
If people wanted to let their creatures be taken up, they can easily do a give-away and/or abandon their creatures at the AC themselves, so I don't see the need for a feature where you delete your account and it automatically abandons your creatures.

"The cave hates me, I never get any limited editions": Mainly my points on your first statement again.

"Trading for things I want is so hard": As above.

I think the Egg Cave team are considering bringing back CC trading (since they sent out a survey), but I'm on the fence with this, so I'm not commenting. As for your other suggestions for this, I don't see the harm in those! So there's a positive from me to you. 😋

This is just a small suggestion (and you don't have to take it), but you might want to add an answer to your poll for none of the answers you've put. It helps to see the other side of the argument as well. That said, you don't have to do that. I'm personally just curious as to how many people also disagree.

darkskyazray • 24 January 2014 at 1:19 PM

1. It is Impossible to get the rare creatures I want:
Well, yes. For example the last day of CRW. Gladly we have the extra attempts now, but... 3 days - over 70 tries and I still got only two creatures I already have. Those I want I haven't yet. ☹️
That is a point, what makes especially the CRW more frustating than fun. I spent hours for nothing.

4. There aren't enough creatures that I like:
I won't agree to that at all. There are many ugly creatures, that's right, but there also many, that I really like.
But as we talked about, I think it would be nice to have a contest, where people can choice, what they should release next.
They also can hide the results till the creatures were released. So it's always a surprise, what creature will make it next.
Also:
We have two CCs and two Cave Creatures per month. Maybe one CC and one Cave Cr. is from the Admins and the other two are User Suggestions. That could be a possibility.

5. The cave hates me, I never get any limited editions:
I answered this below. It would help to raise the percent, a new creature appears.
I think at last everybody should manage to get one of the creatures he wants to.

6. Trading for things I want is so hard:
Some creatures are really for high prices. For new users on EC it's nearly impossible to get one of the retired ones. That's really sad. I had trade myself the one or other retired creature for a low price or sent them as a gift. Prices for some rare pets are just too high.

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 1:26 PM

@spiritkoi okay, thanks! 😉 The thing about the blog: Yeah, I feel like they aren't even acknowledging our suggestions any more... If they aren't going to even look at them, then they should tell us.

@jrock yes, it almost made me quit... :|

@asi these are more just ideas I had to counteract the things I don't like about egg cave, regardless if they create more problems... 😋

1. LEs will always be worth something, because they retire, and are only obtainable through trading. More pets would get users to stay, and make it easier to get the "impossible" creatures (the tine was an LE, yet its worth a CSP isn't it?).

2. You may be right: I'm not totally sure how to give EC more face-value... do you have any ideas? 😋

3. If your creatures didn't die so easily, then you would come back every so often to play. Otherwise, you give up on egg cave because all your creatures died, and there is nothing left for you.

4. I was from that long period... hehe, I don't know, I have so many nice-ish creatures, I don't feel like leaving... I mean if you look at it, my cove is worth over $40... good thing I didn't actually spend any money though.. xD

5. Yup, they retired a few a little while ago... this is more a "kick in the shin" to get them going again... oh I'm so evil 😈

6. Its just an idea, like everything else here. Cave and asteroid tries might be wanted by the super rich people on egg cave... I wouldn't know xD

Anyway, what I posted here on this topic are just ideas. I don't personally love every one... I just thought of them to counteract the things I hate here. 😉

@mastergemma

1. There is a lot of complaining (namely by me) about the kinds of creatures coming out: releasing more of them might lessen the drama.

2. I complain. 😋

3. YESSSSSS I want rare creatures... 😈

4. Voting would be democratic, but also a popularity contest: but is that so bad? There would be a lot less people complaining about the creatures they release. Users would vote for the top suggestions they like, and the top would get made... but I see how you could be worried about that.

5. They haven't retired one in a while.

6. The cave tries was just an idea... 😋

Pretty much the same thing I said to asi

@plushie

1. I think there's enough rare creatures out there: I mean, look at the gobbler/doovoo/macbot? There practically impossible to get. Messing with rarity wouldn't be the worst thing.

2. Do you have any better ideas? Seriously, I have no idea how to raise the face-value of EC... 😋

3. I'd like to see more monthlies... egg cave has gotten pretty boring for me... I like the CRWs, but everything since then has already been done.

4. I feel like me and my friend's suggestions are just ignored... all the CRWs were suggested by admins, and I've seen plenty of suggestions they could have been based on. According to meteoroid, they didn't even base them off real artwork! :|
Yeah, there wouldn't be much of a surprise, but still, everyone would get a say, resulting in less complaining.

5. I HATE THE REPEATS! 😋 I've been on for so long, gah, I'm sick of seeing 25 repeated dogs! xD

6. I don't buy CC, so this would really help me out... 😋


Thanks for all the input guys! 😃

asi • 24 January 2014 at 3:42 PM

@nenielsen

1. Yes, but the Tine was available for a total of two days, nearly four years ago; and Eggcave had a lot less users back then. Plus there was no such thing as immortalization, no way to revive pets, and much less Tim's. Also, the Tine STILL wasn't worth much when it was first released. I missed out on getting one, but people actually happily gave me spares ^^"
... I guess it might be a factor for those things, almough I'm not sure about how strong the correlation is, exactly... I just really don't think we need a big increase in the number of LEs being released... ^^"

2. Hm... New items for sale for EC, regularly retiring S&RC; pets? Maybe extra cave tries could be purchasable with EC? But not too many, I'd hope X3

3. If your pets are dying, you can't really come on much. And if you put no effort into raising your pets, they wouldn't be worth anything to you 0_0

4. (: Yeah~ I have never bought CC either ^^"

5. Shrug, I wouldn't mind that (:<

6. Haha... I'll give you an Onny for three years' worth? X3

Yeah, I getcha; these are all things that bug people, and while unfortunately I don't think there's a perfect solution for any of them, it's nice that you're throwing ideas around like this ^O^

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 3:51 PM

@asi thank you. 😃 That's all I really am, throwing around ideas... some people do not get that... but thank you. 😉

@faerie_eclair_mallow maybe, but I don't want to go on an egg cave hiatus for a month or so and come back to have my account deleted... that would really suck... O_o

@trish yeah that sounds like it might work. 😊 I'll put it up.

@choocalate lol I renamed this topic "the Great Eggspression", hope you don't mind. 😋

@darkskyazray for the most part, you agree with me. Thanks. 😃


Thank you everyone for posting. 😸

Deleted • 24 January 2014 at 3:57 PM

@nenielsen

No, I don't mind. 😋

nenielsen • 24 January 2014 at 4:17 PM

@choocalate great! 😃

@karamel This site is made to be profitable. If it wasn't CCs would be free and there wouldn't be any ads. But your right, not everything is about making the most profits here, which is nice. 😃

1. It is somewhat a complaint. I mean, everyone wants a gobbler/doovoo/macbot, but they are practically impossible to get. What I'm saying, is we don't need more of those super rare impossible-to-get creatures. The only person saying you have to get all the creatures you want is yourself... you kinda told yourself that when you said you wanted those creatures, if you get what I mean. The reason people complain about the impossibly rare creatures is because they want them, and the only way to get them is to spend real money on egg cave.

2. Egg Cave and the community aren't that far apart. The alkub races, site trivia, and advent tree yield very little EC, while the SAR center's and travel agency's wares are expensive, putting the EC market off-balance... but I'm pretty unsure of what to do about this, anyway. 😋

3. I'm against the purging idea, because I do go inactive (my annual egg cave hiatus) sometimes, months at a time, and I'd really hate it if I came back after a while and my whole account was deleted... 😋 Automatically sending creatures to the AC would be much easier than abandoning them one by one (it takes EC, too). Deleting them is such a waste.

Thank you for your input! 😃 I neglected to put in a "none of the above poll option" because I feel like the only people skimming the forums are haters.... and having an option like that on the poll makes it easier for them to be negative... if they don't like my ideas, I'd like to see them post with a whole thing on why, instead of them just saying "this sucks". The other thing is that if I change the poll now, all the votes that are in get deleted... and I don't fee like doing that. 😸 Thanks again~

metaphor • 24 January 2014 at 6:24 PM

With due respect, I don't think decreasing the number of EC one gets from feeding is necessarily the answer. I think that EC needs to be worth obtaining--more EC-based creatures, more than just those in the SAR, items that can be bought and traded other than travels, etc. I suggested in the latest user feedback survey that it would be cool to have land-based creature shops. For instance, Ark City could sell its own unique creatures, Leila its own, etc. And they could restock like travels. Or you know, at least items that have value. Right now all there's really here to buy is Tim's service, travels, and creatures. Auctions are helping, but more needs to be done to make EC worth it.

Also--and no offense but I feel it needs to be said--I think it is extremely selfish to look down on those who do not wish to trade their rare creatures just because they are quitting. Yeah, I joke that I get annoyed when people leave great names dying for such a long time, and then come back months later, but at the end of the day, good for them! I know it stinks to lose creatures and names when they die; it's happened to me. But back to the topic at hand:

Just because a person who is thinking of quitting and has creatures you want does not entitle you to their creatures. Sorry, but it just doesn't.

nenielsen • 25 January 2014 at 2:13 AM

@metaphor Yeah, I only put the decreasing EC thing up there because it was my only idea. I don't "love" it or anything... I'm really only throwing around ideas here.

When I say "quit", I mean the person left, and is never ever coming back. Some people may go on an "egg cave hiatus", I do all the time, and I want their creatures to be there when they come back. I'm talking about people who are seriously leaving. And I'm only suggesting that there should be a button or something in the profile settings where you can delete your account, and it will automatically send your cove to the adoption center. I'm in no way "looking down upon" anyone. And I'm in no way suggesting that we force people who are inactive to give up their creatures. That would totally suck, for everyone. I'm pretty sure I did say, though, the OPTION of deleting your account, so I don't see why I need to explain myself... I feel like you've kind of "jumped the gun" here.

disneyland • 25 January 2014 at 2:17 AM

@nenielsen - I'm talking the account has to be years without anyone coming on~ ^^

nenielsen • 25 January 2014 at 2:20 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow yeah, that might work... but I say you should take it up with @metaphor, she's the one with the problem with it.

despair • 25 January 2014 at 2:47 AM

@metaphor

No harm meant, but what do you mean by "Just because a person who is thinking of quitting and has creatures you want does not entitle you to their creatures. Sorry, but it just doesn't."

If a user is quitting, not coming back, why are they hogging and keeping their creatures?

I mean, they aren't coming back. Why let good creatures just go to waste because they "worked hard for them"? If anything, they're the ones being selfish :/

I think that the point you were trying to relay was that even if a user quits, they still get to keep the creatures they worked hard for.

My sincere apologies if that was not the point you were trying to make, but thats what it sounded like to me.^^